I am a behind-the-scenes worker in the area of supporting Mums and Dads and the kids that face intervention from CYFS.
I feel I must explain where I sit, before I tell you what I know.
I was a member of the cyfswatch team, and although most there are anti-cyfs to the point they would like to see them shut down, there are many of us who see the absolute need for cyfs also, and the need for them to remain in control of the fostering situation.
We are talking about our mokopuna, be they yellow or green!! The Foster Assn in Ak has had a rift appear in it and one lot heading off to do things their way. There must be consistency with fostering! However, what has happened last month is a new company was registered called KEY ASSETS NZ LIMITED. I have hunted them down on the companies register ..
http://www.companies.govt.nz/cms/banner_template/CNAME
The bottom lot of names from the UK are, I understand squillionairres who are financing the situation. Their intent is to build many secure homes in the country to house in-care children!!! The Nats will love this!! Takes any responsibility from the govt at all!! There are meetings happening as I write, they are looking for high profile staff at the moment.
This is something I feel very strongly about. We cannot get CYFS to even open the book and take a look at some of the situations we hear of. If this moves into the private area, god knows what will happen next to the kids.
More is coming to hand daily, this is more a matter of a heads up, our kids suffer enough.
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October 17th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Futze,
I am not sure I understand you. Are you pro CYFS?
Single parents make up between 60 - 70% of CYFS clients. 80% of our criminals in prison are from single parent homes. Are you rubbing in our troubles or are you trying to help.
Many of our single parents are also foster parents.
Can you please explain your views clearly.
October 17th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
Nope dont mis understand me please. Im pro-cyfs, because as we all know there is a place for the job they do. I am anti cyfs when I look at how they interpret their own policies and protocols. Id like to see an Independant Complaints Authority. All that is by the by with what is happening behind closed doors.
The fostering assn has split apart, I think it is around certification of foster parents, and the idea that this is part of the push to get everyone employed. The idea being instead of Mum being forced back to work when the youngest reaches 6, she is trained in fostering and takes in a foster child. On top of this mess, is the company I have mentioned, who have serious money backers. These people intend building many large *homes* in the country, similar to the old orphanages of the 50s and 60s. Only these ones will have bars and security, privately run on contract to cyfs. Cutting don the need for as many foster parents.
There are high profile people who are working on this, working to ensure it doesnt get off the ground. Our children who need fostering, need to be in family homes, at the very least.
I hope this helps, Im happy to put up some more info for you tomorrow, Julie. If I dont get to bed now, it will be tomorrow before I do, and I dont like that
October 18th, 2007 at 6:41 am
My first reaction was, “oh, your joking.” I am very interested in this. But it is not National that is pushing for the women to work. It is the sisterhood. They have already done this in Australia since July 1st. The 20 hours so called free childcare is also in with this. They plot as a world wide movement. I have been keeping up with it through England because they are printing their goals on the net.
We need to come to the term that there is no right any more. It is centre right now. I can’t believe what they do at Government level. The family is to be destroyed in the name of women’s rights. They don’t want children with parents.
October 18th, 2007 at 6:42 am
BTW, thanx for giving us your time on this.
October 18th, 2007 at 7:09 am
LOL Julie, I guess we all have theories where any push is coming from. Personally I have little time for the sisterhood, Ive watched the damage they have caused from their early days through the 60s and 70s. One day, I hope there will be acknowledgement from them s to where they went wrong. However, letting other ideologies pop up in the middle of this does it no good. Staying centred on the task at hand, I am simply saying we must be ready for this when it comes to fruition. There are people that you deal with probably on a daily basis who have been made aware of this, all adding their pieces of knowledge as they come to hand, so we dont miss anything. I dont wish to put their names out publically but i can email you with a name to contact for verification if u wish.
National (Judith Collins) is saying the govt shouldnt be in peoples homes, that was her response when asked about this. The family was destroyed by womens rights the day they took up the mantra! Women and Children! They refused to acknowledge the men in relationships, the damage this has done over the last 30 yrs and its still on going, can not be recitfied. Cheers
October 18th, 2007 at 9:29 am
I guess it doesn’t matter whether you call it Feminism, Socialism,. Nazism or Communism. It is all the same Social Engineering. I am saddened that people have given their freedom away so easily but the the best way to enslave people is to have them want to be slaves.
Our youth are in troubles and they are acting out. There is the problem. So the Government stupidly gives the solution. The solution is what you are talking about. Lock them up, take them from the family. What people are not realising is that the people in charge create the problem to give the solution that people will welcome. Thus enslavement.
You don’t have to give names online in the open but i would like for you to explain for others to read about. It is time for people to open their eyes.
I am happy for you to e-mail me with names so I can contact them. Maybe I might get lucky but then I am not alone. There are heaps of people coming out of the MATRIX.
November 7th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hiya Futze,
Social engineering is here and I believe it’s going to get worse. With regards to CYFS, yes I can agree there is a place for them, but not their corrupt, family destroying practices. Concerning CYFStalk, God forbid if you hold a different view. Any differing view is seen as a challenge to the web owner and master’s status quo. In summary re CYFStalk, rock the boat and you are out. IE permantly banned.
January 27th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Please, can someone who owns this site remove all references Futze has made to CYFStalk. The fact is, she is NOT a behind the scenes worker at CYFSwatch OR CYFStalk, and she never will be. In fact, she has been banned from CYFStalk. Also, I do NOT live in Palmerston North, therfore, with so many mistakes, anything this person says must be suspect.
Futze has been stating she is part of the CYFStalk and CYFSwatch teams all over the internet, and I am doing my best to correct her fantasies. The facts, is, again, that I, as host of CYFSwatch, and owner of CYFStalk, would prefer NOT to have anyone think Futze is associated with those sites because while what she says might make sense to begin with, no one on CYFStalk trusts Futze’s rantings. She is in fact, pro CYFS and only pretends to be anti CYFS.
Thanks
Kiwi1960
January 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Hi kiwi1960,
Thank-you for dropping in and letting us know about your sites. I am sure we have a link to you so that single parents can get support and knowledge from others who have been through the system and those with legal knowledge.
But regarding your request … sorry, no can do! … I like the fact that Futze is giving us information. You may have read the post wrong because I see that Futze WAS a part of the cyfswatch team.
And to be honest I am not completely anti CYFS either.
February 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Speaking as a member of the “CYFSWATCH Team” and a father who has watched his children go through the mill, I have to say that yes, there is a place for CYFS, that there ARE good social workers who actually recognise whether a child is in danger or not AND actively try to help the parents learn proper child care.
This privatisation scares me. What would my kids have been programmed into believing if they had been stuck in some place like these clowns want to start?
February 3rd, 2008 at 10:24 am
Thanx for the reply Chief Gadfly; and nice site.
We already had privatisation of child care in NZ. We have “Youth Horizon Trust”
I think what we also have to remember is that the Government sets aside a certain amount which each child can receive. And only if they fit into certain criteria can this full amount be used. The Government also puts aside so much for CYFS in it’s budget.
Youth Horizon Trust gives great care to their Youth because they can tap into this funding better. Bit of a shame really because when the children go back to the parents they come back spoilt. Not many families can provide as Youth Horizon does.
I have a feeling that privatisation will run smoother because a profit is wanted at the end of the day. That will be what the board is after.
But I believe it will not be what the social workers are after. And I believe if they are better trained social workers (which a private company would provide) we will see better results.
And one more ting to consider.
CYFS are pushing caregivers to take custody on long term cases. These can be from 2 years on and is being done to cut costs so that new clients can receive financial assistance. I can only hope that the private company will have to show results of returns to families to receive extra funding which in turn could put families in a safer situation.
February 3rd, 2008 at 10:26 am
But in saying my last comment I can also see this as a multi international business. And business works on growth of profit. This will create a problem alright. We will be looking for more children to incarcerate than making the problem smaller.
February 9th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Julie, she claims she WAS part of the CYFSwatch team, but CYFSwatch works alone. There are those that say I am CYFSwatch, no, I only host him, but I can confirm that CYFSwatch works alone, never, in all my dealings with him has he ever mentioned Futze as being a worker for him behind the scenes. In fact, I asked him is she is, or was ever working for him. The answer “NO!”
Futze pretends to be anti CYFS, but she is PRO CYFS 100% and that is just wrong. We all know there is a need for CYFS, but to post the stuff Futze is posting is just sad, she claims to be be PRO CYFS on the one hand, and anti CYFS on the other, however, she was banned from CYFStalk because she only pretended to be anti CYFS, and was doing MUCH HARM to the cause we are fighting for, the complete overhaul of CYFS from its present corrupt system.
In that respect, Futze does more harm to anyone’s cause, such as yours, and ours, because she says one thing, but believes another, and your cause will be damaged by her words. For example, she has been bad mouthing me since news broke that I was the new host of CYFSwatch, and before I launched CYFStalk. Her rantings can be found on the web.
If you GOOGLE “Futze” you will see a post from her on the *********, where she states that the Police *********. We can also confirm that she ***********, she only came close when working for ********, and she left that voluntary post under a cloud.
The fact she tells so many lies is why I do not wish her stating she is connected to either CYFSwatch or CYFStalk. A recent poll of the membership of CYFStalk saw a UNANIMOUS vote to NOT ever let her back in, such is the damage she caused and the feelings of resentment felt for her.
More power to your site.
February 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
kiwi1960,
I am not sure if you realise how silly you look with your comment.
This is a single parents website. Are you aware of what parents go through when their relationships break-up? You are being a prime example.
You are pulling down this person because she has got the better of you. Get over it and move on. And stop stalking her. I don’t want to hear it.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Hi Julie
I just want to comment on your remark: “Are you aware of what parents go through when their relationships break up?”
I would ask in return:
Are you aware of what parents go through when their relationships and marriages break up, AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE FORCIBLY SEPARATED FROM THEM, AND ARE ALIENATED AGAINST THEM”.
Actually I believe that you do have some idea.
I just mention it because few women seem to realise how destructive it is for fathers AND FOR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN to be alienated in this way.
I have met women whose thought is only for WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH, anyone else’s grief is just ‘baggage’ that they need to ‘move on’ from, and that their children’s behavioural problems are all the fault of that man that she has just kicked out!
February 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Julie, it is not me doing the stalking, I wasn’t the one who started posting on here about CYFSwatch or CYFStalk.
I am attempting to set the record straight on the many “suspect” posts made by Futze or one of the many other names she uses. She is doing our cause more harm than anything I do, I was led here by a complaint someone made to me about Futze and what she had said.
In fact, it is Futze, Lovelee, leigh, or Leslie (and there may be more names) who is stalking me, as you put it, and the sites I own or host.
For the record Julie, I am a former solo parent, and been a child in a broken marriage saga, so I know more than anyone what its like. Like you, I will do anything to protect the integrity of CYFSwatch and CYFStalk because there is a need for those sites, just as there is a need for your site. Also, if you think this is bad, maybe I should send you the posts Futze made on CYFStalk before she was banned, and her many bogus names she has used since then to gain access to the site so she could copy and paste messages and send them to…. God only knows? CYFS?
I also have an Email from Futze forwarded to me by someone she stabbed in the back, in it, she laughs at her “ability” to get on site and copy and paste messages to post elsewhere where she can put her own spin on them.
Like I said, I will do ANYTHING to protect the integrity of CYFStalk, and THAT includes the members there, who feel violated that Futze is copying their posts and using them for her own evil ends.
It is thanks to Futze that I have spent many long sleepless nights upgrading my sites security, but I feel I own it to the membership who feel violated when Futze makes public their situation.
Wouldn’t you do the same?
February 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Kiwi1960
I have been stalked before. Pretty badly. It is not something I would like for anyone to go through. So, in a way the situation has brought up feelings of the past. I know how it feels to have a person who can’t control you go out of their way to destroy you.
I just hope this can end amicably.
I want for our groups to work together for change.
John Brett, hello there. Nice of you to drop in. I hear what you are saying.
February 11th, 2008 at 2:37 am
I am afraid that with all the damaged people out there (victims of the system one way or another) getting a rational discussion going will be difficult.
I believe in reasoned debate, not venomous attacks.
That being said, when somebody attacks any of my friends because they have been asked to discontinue behaviour that has upset others, then I have to say that some form of administrative discipline is necessary.
And for those people to continue the attacks in a public forum, posting the contents of private emails and posts meant for members only where they are then held up to ridicule… I leave you to make your own judgement.
I have recently been erroneously named as CYFSWATCH and my real name published on the net by some person who will remain nameless… I don’t know who he is apart from “Dave”, and I really can’t be bothered to find out… I am sure that in the natural course of events, I will be blamed for more “wrong-doings”, simply because I refuse to knuckle to power gamers whose only focus is their own noteriety.
I, too wish for an amicable end to this sensless pissing contest. The government has no need to fear us while we are locking horns with each other.
I want to go after the ones who destroy families, who allow children to be placed back into danger, the ones who think that education of parents as caregivers is not worth wasting time on, in other words, I WANT TO BRING BACK THE VILLAGE THAT RAISES OUR CHILDREN.
THAT is what I am fighting, if you are not happy with that, then walk away and find your own space.
My sincerest apologies, Julie, that this has spilled over to where it needn’t have. I did my best but I cannot herd cats….
February 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
. I have also brought children up on my own ,so really great to have a site for sole parents.
What is wrong with that CYFSsite talk thing? I have logged on to it .they seem pretty clued up and sincere. I did happen to read a few of that Futzes posts ,she was a real put of, reminded of a crack pot social worker ,loud and rude, I recieved an email from her once ,I feel like gagging.
Surely since single parents are mor prone to the evil CYF`s tagging on , it would be of an advantage to check out the CYF`s talk thing , I plan to check it out ,better to be prepared.
February 11th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Julie I have just read some of your comments pushed at Kiwi ,and I find this quite sad ,because it seems sadly that this Futze woman has influenced you ,I would ask you log on to their site ,and fimiliarise your self with their site. He puts alot of effort into his site ,and his own posts are very sincere and honest. In fact what I can see he has huge potential and respect. Infact I was looking for support and testing sites ,that one has come up really well.
As for beening stalked I have myself and it,s alwful ,but I beleive Kiwi according to some background research was stalked by a friend of this Futze woman on another Cyfs` website, so quite an insult to fire that at him. Woman do stalk men as well.I can understand that this bring memories ,but I feel he is trying to warn you. Woman can also stalk and manipulate woman .
He seems to be trying to protect people from this woman .
February 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
justasme,
Thanx for your imput. I hope to God you are not wrong. I think kiwi1960 is a tough person. Probably not at all because often what you show on the outside is opposite to what is on the inside.
And I do lean more against those who I think are tough. Maybe just a habit as a female.
We are check mate here. Both sides.
But I think we have to look to the bigger picture selflessly. Single Parents cannot do this alone. We need as a group somewhere such as cyfstalk and cyfswatch. Chief Gadfly is winning me over on this because he seems to be the rational one in this. And if John Brett is involved then I have to go with him.
I know women stalk men. I have seen some really bad things women have done and I think that women can be worse than men because men just want to deal with a situation and get it over and done with but women (some) want the man to suffer and for eternity if they had their way.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Is there a chance that Fultze can be left alone? No harassment for anything she has done. That would make me happy. And fultze, if you could also leave Kiwi1960 alone then all is solved. Just walk away and enjoy both your lives without each other.
Both sides win when both sides are free from the other.
February 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
When I said men just want to deal with it and get it over and done with, I meant that as a generalisation of mine. I am more than aware that some fathers are being pain in the arses to mothers too.
February 11th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Hi all. I am in the position of being a grand-parent who has just been told by a friend of my daughter’s that my grand-daughter is now out of my daughter’s care.
Thankfully cyfs is not involved (as yet) and I am hoping that will continue.
This woman is one of the strongest ladies I have met. I don’t use the term lady lightly either as it takes a lot to get my respect to that caliber.
She has been a true friend to my daughter to the point of contacting me to ask for my approval to give my daughter a kick in the arse, and keeping cyfs out of the picture.
I had the oppotunity to make a surprise visit on the weekend and found that my daughter had reverted to a standard of behaviour that got cyfs involved last year. Truthfully, I would not have housed a beggar in that house..
I am not sure as to the long term prospects but now that this amazing 23 year old lady is involved I have some hope that I will not lose yet another grandchild to the system.
I will keep you updated.
February 11th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Chief Gadfly, welcome to hell. lol
I feel so sorry for you. Your situation is not a good one. I don’t want to give you advice because you have to do what feels right.
But there can be some unexpected consequences to this.
I have a friend who was raped very badly. Do you remember that rapist in Auckland who raped many women and men were coming forward with their DNA to help the police?
Well, she was one of the victims. A solo mother who had this man watch her from afar and who broke into her house at night while the children where in the other room and who raped her and sliced her arms with a knife. A placid single mother.
Anyhow, you can imagine what a mess she was and a friend of hers took her baby to help her out. But this friend found the DPB to be a cosy way of life and would not give the child back. CYFS got involved and so did lawyers. God forbid having lawyers involved but we didn’t know of the men’s movement or the family movement back then. She will never get her child back and has to organise visitation rights through the family court.
I hope things don’t backfire on you. You could lose your grandchild through this.
February 11th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
One reason that I have no fear is that this lady has two children of her own and her partner has his two… they have both been through the mill and know exactly what CYFS are like. I have all but lost both my daughters… there are two other grandchildren who I don’t see thanx to ex-inlaws and daughter losing interest in her first child.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Futze your views on key assets are well off the mark, I’ve done my own bit of research and I say bring them on, contrary to your suggestion that they are going to build big homes with fences, they are in fact a fostering agency and if you took time to read about their services in the UK http://www.ofsted.gov.uk, Australia and Ireland http://www.hiqa.ie you’d see that they are a quality outfit so I suspect that CYFS could learn a thing or two from them. I’m fascinated to see how they do!
May 21st, 2008 at 9:27 pm
I agree with Curious1 above. I have some knowledge on Key Assets and I can assure you that they do not intend to build large orphanages as suggested.
Key Assets intention is to have ‘one’ child/young person placed with a caregiver/s in the caregiver/s own home. The child/yp must also have their own room. The only difference to this might be if there is a sibling group. For more information you can check out their website at http://www.keyassets.co.nz.