Comments on: Are women less than equal or privileged princesses?

By: Futze

Futze — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:23:43 +0000

Yep! Hello Julie : ) Our issues go deeper than that. The education system isnt getting the message through.
Ive done sex ed, went through the term discussing and showing. But at the end of it I realised they still didnt really know what sexual intercourse is. How do you describe the feeling? Why would anyone shy away from something that feels good? The male side of the problem will take eons to sort out. Our young men have so many issues to cope with, sexuality is raising its head (ooo the pun) earlier and they have less and less skills. On the subject of the pill, I still think its the biggest ever research done on women ever!! A drug which alters the cycle of women can never be good!

By: Julie

Julie — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 05:06:28 +0000

Hi Futze, things are changing. Men are soon to have a pill or something similar to have control of their sperm. We have been fed for decades that men should not be trusted with such a device because women are the one’s that bear the child. However, studies are coming forward saying women are deliberately saying they were on the pill and so forth when in fact they lie. Just look at one of the Spice girls. She wanted a baby and deliberately chose a rich actor who she knows has a family and she knows she gets child support from. She didn’t even deny what she did. So now she gets her own income plus a % of the guys which is worth millions a year. So much for a fling. She was only with him for 2 months.

Men don’t like the condom, so I get told. I was told it feels like putting your feet in water with socks on. That doesn’t sound great to me.

By: Futze

Futze — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:33:44 +0000

I would think men who become fathers without their consent are a tad stoopid.
Once they place the fertiliser into the egg receptacle, there is a probability that pregnancy will eventuate.
The receptacle becomes the bearer, this is where even I, as a woman gets confused!

We demand that its our body, we make the decision about abortion.
I expect that if there is to be an abortion its her decision, and yet, if the babe is to be produced, BOTH must be a party to its development.

This is just my opinion on this.

Nothing is in fact any different than it was 50 years ago, except people are more able to discuss these things.

By: Julie

Julie — Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:23:13 +0000

Ouch mr-fattsworth, I was one of the females who had fell pregnant unexpectedly, so I guess my ex didn't really get a say. Although he did afterwards. hehehe But you are right in women deviously and deliberately falling pregnant against the wishes of the father or without his consent. It is pretty bad alright. Men really need to step forward. We are making an arm of our group but like everything that gets done around here, it is slow. You should visit antimisandry.com sometime.

By: mr-fattsworth

mr-fattsworth — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:00:09 +0000

Julie, women having children without the consent of the men is so common it’s almost the norm, i believe that generally it is the women who decide to ‘get in the family way’ and i think it may be connected to those insecurties i mentioned in an earlier post.
You are quite right, men do walk away and need to stop doing that, be it all on their own or in groups however they feel they can work something out they must.
Eve is quite some adversary, she is no slouch when it comes to controling the mind of a man, men have taken her much much too lightly, lol so much so that the typical NZ male is openly sterotyped by Eve as a lazy beer swilling rugby fanatic that hates kids and he thinks it’s a joke.

By: Julie

Julie — Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:09:09 +0000

mr-fattsworth, I don’t know how common it is for men to find out they are fathers without their consent. Although I know of one female who has done this and that is what started this post. I am also aware that fathers do not have a say in their child being terminated. I don’t know how to make a fair system because relationships are never easy to sort out and I know the Family Court would rather both parents sort it out than fight one another. This leaves the Court system to choose between the mum and the dad. Not a very grown up attitude from the parents who use their kids as a weapon against each other.

What I believe has to happen is men have to get organised. There is no excuse in my book for not actioning as a collective of men. Walking away or being over cautious is not the right thing to do. The system will just keeping growing in bias otherwise until men have absolutely no rights whatsoever.

By: mr-fattsworth

mr-fattsworth — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:49:02 +0000

Thats right Julie men are treated as second class citizens the shocking thing is that many don’t actually realise it and seem to carry on regardless albeit into oblivion.
Of course i agree that not all women are of the ‘unsavoury mould’ but because it is hard to pick out the good ones and also because of the way they are educated in this country it’s probably wise to treat all with suspicion until proved otherwise.
Men should not commit as readily as they do but sometimes it can’t be helped especially where there is ‘entrapment thought’ and suddenly a baby with his name on it arives on the scene,im sure you agree that yes this is something that is rather common, especially with the younger men.

By: Julie

Julie — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:36:30 +0000

mr-fattsworth, not all of us women want to take away men’s masculinity. There are heaps of us that like men just the way they are. Not all of us want to become lesbian and not all of us want our sons to be gay. But you are right in saying men have to wake up and smell the roses. This is really bad. Males really are a second rated citizen in NZ.

By: mr-fattsworth

mr-fattsworth — Tue, 09 Oct 2007 02:45:23 +0000

It’s not only myself nor is it my plan alone that intends to see change with the lads, in fact anyone using a bit of common sence could get involved too, be it a group, organisation or just ordinary fathers who do also see the plight of the male child/teen/adult and seek to help impliment some changes.
Men need to get up and take a good look around them, look at the abismal state of the typcal NZ male and seek help to make change.
If men want advise on what they can do themselves my advise is to seek out Men support groups and if there are women working within these organisations then you have the wrong organisation lol ..the chances are high the woman will give you advise that suits her and hers, not you so get it right first time.

By: Julie

Julie — Sat, 06 Oct 2007 20:33:52 +0000

mr-fattsworth,

It sounds great what you are planning to do. You should let us in on this.