Are women less than equal or privileged princesses?
She was a new mum and she was a single mother because she deliberately became pregnant to her ex boyfriend. You see, she figured that he owed her a baby because she went out with him for 2 years. He didn’t want a child and he broke off the relationship. But she insists that she is entitled to a baby from him and she insists that he will pay every cent of child support that she can get from him. I guess part of her attitude is that she wants revenge. Since she was in her 30’s her biological clock was ticking by and he was just the boyfriend at the time she was fretting for a child. Poor man. And he has other children from a long term relationship. He is doomed to hell just for dating a women for 2 years.
But where is all this attitude of me, me, me coming from. I know there are many other females out there like this. Deliberately coercing our males into being fathers. Lesson for the day: Watch your sons and teach them of these predators.
Let’s go back in time to look for the answer, say … 2 generations. Men worked to provide for the family and women stayed home and took care of the family. Were women oppressed for this? I guess so. Were men oppressed for this? I guess so. But when I say they were oppressed I am saying oppression like women having to marry a guy that her parents chose and that oppression is not just for the females. The female has to marry a guy and that guy has no more say in the matter than she does. His marriage partner was also chosen for him. Both were/are oppressed to the way their society runs.
Backing up again, women did want to work and their husbands would have loved for them to be happy and if work made them happy then OK, do it. But society was different back then. If a woman worked the men and women around them would look down on the man for not fulfilling his duty to take care of her. He and she were both bound by society’s attitudes.
But then things changed. The ‘Pill’ enabled women to stop having children and the modern appliances men made like washing machines and dryers and dishwashers and so on and so on gave women time to work and as they pushed collectively along with the men, attitudes around them changed.
Now besides the Rockefellers backing this big time because they saw women working as a bonus to increase their tax intake, there became more supply than demand for workers (as there were now twice as many available) which in turn stopped wages from increasing as inflation was. OK, so it didn’t stop wage increases but it slowed it right down to where we have much poverty today. Today we are very fortunate if one wage provides for a family. So now both men and women are oppressed to the system and the Government loves it. The Government will continue to grow in numbers and will continue to have to be the ‘Daddy” of them all. All men and women are oppressed by the Government. Especially Labour with their ever increasing tax collection. But now I am off topic ….. So back to the past.
As women’s groups expanded so did the projects that women did for the benefit of the female gender. And we came to a time when they promoted, “Girls can do anything.”
Now there is nothing wrong with teaching and encouraging our children that they are capable of fulfilling their dreams but as one feminist who took part in this project said to me, “It was a big mistake from the word go. We should have promoted ‘children can do anything’ and not just girls.” What happened, she said, is that the girls enjoyed competing with the boys and would rub it in their noses when they could do something better but when it came time to doing things males did that the girls didn’t like, the girls would say, “But I am just a girl.” Also the fathers were not impressed with the boys when the girls got hurt. So the girls were allowed to do as they pleased and call each situation as they felt. Whether it was being a modern female or a traditional female. They had the best of both worlds. But the males were expected to somehow know when they were to leave the girls alone to do as they please or when to be a caring male and protect the girls.
And today this is how it is. Women were given choices to have careers and have it all but at the same time women are also allowed to have no responsibility for their actions and expect males to be traditional one day and modern the next depending on the females whim at the time.
Take this example for instance. A male drugs an under-age child and has sex with them. He gets 12 years imprisonment. A female drugs a child under-age and has sex with them and gets 18 months imprisonment. Equal treatment??? I think not. And this is just the tip of the ice berg. Women who abuse men whether it be hitting them over the head with a frying pan or stabbing them (which is on the increase with young women) get a diversion for first offence. If males abuse women in the same way or less, they get to go to prison …. no ifs, no buts. Yes, OK, I exaggerate a little. If it is a minor offence from a male he may not necessarily go straight to prison. He can plea bargain and with a guilty plea have to do so many weeks of anger management. Too many are opting falsely for this option IMO but then if I was in between the choice of 2 evils and knew the courts were bias to my gender, I would do the same. So….
Another one. Women don’t lie. Before you start on me I am only giving you the feminist’s perception. They can say a man raped her without any proof and in fact she can say a male is the daddy of her child without any proof since men are not allowed DNA tests without the mothers approval. Women’s words are truth alright and we have thousands of upon thousands of males paying child support for children that are not theirs and we have our prisons busting at the seams for false rape charges to prove it. Hope you got the sarcasm.
And what about maternity leave. Women get a year paid maternity leave thanks to research from the Families Commission but males only get a month or some small time like that? What about stay at home dads? What about single fathers? Is this a move for equality or a move for privilege?
Anyhow I could go on and on and on with giving you examples.
But I will ask you the question again. Are women less than equal or privileged princesses?
Prerogative, the powers or a particular power, vested in a sovereign in virtue of his/her office; peculiar right or privilege.
A womans prerogative’ a sentence that says what? , Probably everthing said in post #1.
Perhaps the women fall victim to the consumerism side and this is where the ‘me me me’ thing becomes apparent, just look at the percentages of TV adds aimed directly at the women, there are adds for the men too, they have a very subtle ‘look at dopey me’
theme going, a bit of a setup methinks.
Men are in need of some learning, i dont think they have a clue as to how the average woman ticks!
The woman is not as complex as she would have you believe, associated with ‘drama they are often insecure and try to cover the fact by using the mental attack strategy when ever the male stumbles/discovers the weakness.
I think the ‘prerogative for women’ thing needs to be looked at further, it should’nt really need to exist in this day and age and if women want to be taken more seriously they should become more up to date and aware of what the feeling is amongst a very fast growing number of men.
mr-fattsworth,
Your comment makes a lot of sense.
Now, now. We can’t afford for men to know this. lol
lol well lassie! the lads/men definately do need to learn this as it’s usually when they find they cant understand the women is when the wheels fall off for them and when the women realise this they usually move on and create another problem just for good measure and/or to confuse the chap even more. The guys get left with not knowing which way to turn, quite often they turn to alcohol and drugs and of course their mates, who chances are, not really liked by the ‘missus’
I feel that those lads/men that have had next to no male rolemodels/fathers as they have grown up to advise them on certain matters are really in for a rough ride.
Yes, you are so right. One third of all our children in NZ are from broken homes. Some say the number is around 400,000. That is an awful lot of children without a father and for some a mother. I was amazed with research that was written for Waitakere Council. Our major organisations that deal with children and parents couldn’t even give a reason why fathers are important. How can that be???? We have made a terrible place for the next generation.
well… from my point of view… we are hardout privileged princesses… we are the ones who get to play the ‘poor lil me’ card all the time.. the ones who say we want our equal rights but really where would we be then with nothing to hide behind? and mr fattsworth… females are indeed proffessionals at the mind game haha
mr-fattsworth,
It sounds great what you are planning to do. You should let us in on this.
It’s not only myself nor is it my plan alone that intends to see change with the lads, in fact anyone using a bit of common sence could get involved too, be it a group, organisation or just ordinary fathers who do also see the plight of the male child/teen/adult and seek to help impliment some changes.
Men need to get up and take a good look around them, look at the abismal state of the typcal NZ male and seek help to make change.
If men want advise on what they can do themselves my advise is to seek out Men support groups and if there are women working within these organisations then you have the wrong organisation lol ..the chances are high the woman will give you advise that suits her and hers, not you so get it right first time.
mr-fattsworth, not all of us women want to take away men’s masculinity. There are heaps of us that like men just the way they are. Not all of us want to become lesbian and not all of us want our sons to be gay. But you are right in saying men have to wake up and smell the roses. This is really bad. Males really are a second rated citizen in NZ.
Thats right Julie men are treated as second class citizens the shocking thing is that many don’t actually realise it and seem to carry on regardless albeit into oblivion.
Of course i agree that not all women are of the ‘unsavoury mould’ but because it is hard to pick out the good ones and also because of the way they are educated in this country it’s probably wise to treat all with suspicion until proved otherwise.
Men should not commit as readily as they do but sometimes it can’t be helped especially where there is ‘entrapment thought’ and suddenly a baby with his name on it arives on the scene,im sure you agree that yes this is something that is rather common, especially with the younger men.
mr-fattsworth, I don’t know how common it is for men to find out they are fathers without their consent. Although I know of one female who has done this and that is what started this post. I am also aware that fathers do not have a say in their child being terminated. I don’t know how to make a fair system because relationships are never easy to sort out and I know the Family Court would rather both parents sort it out than fight one another. This leaves the Court system to choose between the mum and the dad. Not a very grown up attitude from the parents who use their kids as a weapon against each other.
What I believe has to happen is men have to get organised. There is no excuse in my book for not actioning as a collective of men. Walking away or being over cautious is not the right thing to do. The system will just keeping growing in bias otherwise until men have absolutely no rights whatsoever.
Julie, women having children without the consent of the men is so common it’s almost the norm, i believe that generally it is the women who decide to ‘get in the family way’ and i think it may be connected to those insecurties i mentioned in an earlier post.
You are quite right, men do walk away and need to stop doing that, be it all on their own or in groups however they feel they can work something out they must.
Eve is quite some adversary, she is no slouch when it comes to controling the mind of a man, men have taken her much much too lightly, lol so much so that the typical NZ male is openly sterotyped by Eve as a lazy beer swilling rugby fanatic that hates kids and he thinks it’s a joke.
Ouch mr-fattsworth, I was one of the females who had fell pregnant unexpectedly, so I guess my ex didn’t really get a say. Although he did afterwards. hehehe But you are right in women deviously and deliberately falling pregnant against the wishes of the father or without his consent. It is pretty bad alright.
Men really need to step forward. We are making an arm of our group but like everything that gets done around here, it is slow.
You should visit antimisandry.com sometime.
I would think men who become fathers without their consent are a tad stoopid.
Once they place the fertiliser into the egg receptacle, there is a probability that pregnancy will eventuate.
The receptacle becomes the bearer, this is where even I, as a woman gets confused!
We demand that its our body, we make the decision about abortion.
I expect that if there is to be an abortion its her decision, and yet, if the babe is to be produced, BOTH must be a party to its development.
This is just my opinion on this.
Nothing is in fact any different than it was 50 years ago, except people are more able to discuss these things.
Hi Futze, things are changing. Men are soon to have a pill or something similar to have control of their sperm. We have been fed for decades that men should not be trusted with such a device because women are the one’s that bear the child. However, studies are coming forward saying women are deliberately saying they were on the pill and so forth when in fact they lie. Just look at one of the Spice girls. She wanted a baby and deliberately chose a rich actor who she knows has a family and she knows she gets child support from. She didn’t even deny what she did. So now she gets her own income plus a % of the guys which is worth millions a year. So much for a fling. She was only with him for 2 months.
Men don’t like the condom, so I get told. I was told it feels like putting your feet in water with socks on. That doesn’t sound great to me.
Yep! Hello Julie : ) Our issues go deeper than that. The education system isnt getting the message through.
Ive done sex ed, went through the term discussing and showing. But at the end of it I realised they still didnt really know what sexual intercourse is. How do you describe the feeling? Why would anyone shy away from something that feels good? The male side of the problem will take eons to sort out. Our young men have so many issues to cope with, sexuality is raising its head (ooo the pun) earlier and they have less and less skills. On the subject of the pill, I still think its the biggest ever research done on women ever!! A drug which alters the cycle of women can never be good!